Recently my lovely assistant sat down with Timothy Jay Schwab of The God Culture for an in-depth interview. What follows is the transcript.
Tonight we have a very special guest, Timothy Jay Schwab of The God Culture. We will be diving deep into his doctrines. Get ready because this interview will blow you away.
How are you tonight Mr. Schwab?
0:29 Doing Great.
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That's good to hear. So, you are an American who moved to the Philippines not too long ago. Tell us about what it meant for you to relocate to the Philippines.
2:11:00 You know, I have been here in the Philippines now for about eight years. Even becoming a citizen and you can call me Petros. Nah, keep calling me the same thing. But you know I fell in love with this country a long time ago first with a beautiful woman who changed my life and just observing the culture of her and her mother and the way the Philippine people operate as opposed to the average American way....wow! I mean this has just been amazing.
But I had no idea where that would lead. You know, we moved here to the Philippines we weren't exactly sure what we were going to do. Right? I mean it was a big move. As an American I can't just go down the street and get a job too easy. So what do I do right? I'm not going to work in a rice field so uh but you know Yahuah has given us a vision and he's provided every step of the way.
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You say you became a Philippine citizen does that mean you gave up your American citizenship? Are you no longer an American citizen?
49:37 You know when it comes down to it America came in as conquerors. That's how they approached the Philippines. They could've just given the Philippines their freedom if they were to spread democracy. We came in here to spread democracy. See, America's a great place, except for that's not what they did. They sent their military in and they crushed the Philippines, killing in some estimates as many as 2 million Filipinos. That's a conqueror. They had their boot on your neck. That's how they operate and they can try to paint it whatever way they want. I am an American but I know the truth and I'm going to tell the truth. I am ashamed at what my country did and I am proud to be a Filipino
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We all know that you did not move to the Philippines to work in a rice field. Instead you ended up working on a video series and then you published a number of books. Tell us about the vision for the Philippines that God has given you.
21:08 This is why Yahusha said this land will restore his law. This land will rise against the final generation (kingdom?). It's why Isaiah said His law will be restored in this land. Why just the Philippines? It's not just the Philippines, it's the land of creation, the land of the Garden of Eden, the land of his Holy of Holies. His presence is here. You know, one thing you wonder and a lot of the world wonders and, I don't know, I'm sure there's studies that show somebody else somewhere, to me Filipinos are the happiest people on earth. At some point you've been conquered and raped and stolen from and all of these things in history in the last 400 years or so and yet you're still the happiest people on earth. Why? Because you are just above the Holy of Holies above Yahuah. That's why. Wow.
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Tell us more about what you mean by "restoring the law." Is it not true Jesus Christ came to free us from the law by fulfilling it? Certainly there is no temple in Israel.
22:08 Obviously there is no temple in Israel today so no actual need to go there although certainly visit that's fine. But we don't need that anymore. In fact watch our Solomon's Gold series and you will find His Holy of Holies on earth has always been put permanently in the Garden of Eden which we locate in the Philippines. And the one in Israel was very temporary of course. Thus everyone should really travel to the Philippines for these feasts. How about that? Something to think about. And this is why we say that the Philippines is where they will reinstate these feasts in full especially.
But if there is no temple how can one keep the feasts in full since they are to be kept in the place God designated which is at the temple? And what about not knowing the correct dates on which God says to keep them? Is that not a problem? Can one really keep the feasts if they are not being kept in the right place at the right time?
1:09:59 But no one has these dates a hundred percent that we can verify including us, uh, so don't beat people up over oh well you do it this day oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. The point, keep the feast.
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You said that the Holy of Holies is in the Garden of Eden which is in the Philippines. Where in the Philippines is the Garden of Eden located?
34:36 So, there you go. The Garden of Eden is just below the Philippines under the Sulu Sea.
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The Garden of Eden is under the Sulu Sea? That sounds inaccessible and uninhabitable.
29:07 So there you go. New revelation. Elijah just as Enoch was also taken into the Garden of Eden where the two of them remain. Wonder what they're doing? Well, they are priests. They're just as a temple priest in the Holy of Holies because they are in the permanent Holy of Holies of Yahuah. Now, we know Enoch was sacrificing even burnt offerings according to the book of Jubilees we covered so essentially they took the place of Adam who was a priest in the garden. He was keeping the garden. It is clear this is the case and these two continue to live and serve Yahuah there. They remain holy and will to the end.
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Wow! Enoch and Elijah are sacrificing burnt offerings in The Garden of Eden underneath the Sulu Sea below the Philippines? Does that mean there are animals living in the Garden of Eden? Can we enter the garden and visit Enoch and Elijah?
27:39 You and I, however, can't enter but it will be open to us again in the end on the day of judgment.
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Aside from being the location of the Holy of Holies on earth what is it that makes the Philippines so special in the last days?
2:13:51 Because Jesus, Yahusha, said Himself that the Philippines will rise in the last days and stand against the New World Order, the one world government. The Philippines! Can you imagine that? Start. Because it's coming soon. His prophecies never return unto him void.
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It seems rather exciting to imagine that the Philippines will be rising up to fight against the New World Order. Tell us more about that.
1:31:53 The Two Witnesses are coming and they will stand in the strongest of ways and we do believe that will be the first three and a half years of the tribulation when many will rise all over the world against the corruption. But the two lands which will lead this charge will be Kurdistan and Philippines according to the words of Yahusah Himself. And the Two Witnesses will come from there as well.
In other words other governments around the earth will be preparing for the rise of their Messiah. They already are. The Beast or the anti-christ, the anti-Messiah to some, also known as the Mahdi in Islam, Maitreya in the New Age mythos, and the Jewish Messiah to come as well who is not Yahusha who they reject even still, who already came.
But these two lands, Kurdistan, Philippines, will rise against that final generation and condemn it in Messiah's words. That means they will lead a charge to repentance all over the world. Though two of them, perhaps prophets, maybe even small groups, will go to Jerusalem and prophesy for 1260 days. We believe we are already beginning to see the stage set for this as these two lands especially are lost tribes areas as is Central Africa.
When do you think this final generation will arrive? Is it our generation or is there still more time?
51:41 So, 2120 for the tribulation start and 2127 for Messiah's return. These are ballparks. We're not saying exacts, we're not saying it's exactly and we don't know. Look, this isn't trigonometry or calculus we could be off a decade, we could be off a year, we could be off certain months, we could be not considering something. We're not saying any of that, all right? This isn't an exact science. We don't care for it to be because we don't get to know the day or the hour. But here's what we do know. We know it's time to prepare. We know when the season is and we have about a century folks.
Let's go back to your comment about "restoring the law." Is it not true Jesus Christ came to free us from the law by fulfilling it?
30:18 He came to fulfill the covenant which is certainly for us indeed. This was His purpose but has He done this yet? Didn't He do that on the cross already and in His resurrection? Well let's see what He says about that.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law," that's the law of Moses, "or the prophets," that's the Old Testament, the writings of the prophets. "I am not come to destroy," destroy what? The law of Moses nor the Old Testament. "But to fulfill," fulfill what? The law of Moses and the prophecies of the prophets, the Old Testament. And then He tells when all will be fulfilled and he does not use His resurrection as the timestamp at all. "For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittle," Hebrew letters basically, "shall in nowise pass from the law till all be fulfilled."
Now when does heaven and earth pass away? When all is fulfilled. Did it pass away at His resurrection. No. It's still there. Revelation 21 says that heaven and earth pass away at the time of the final judgment basically. Look around. Has earth passed away yet? If someone tells you it ever did they don't know scripture because the first heaven and earth are still here.
And the second one does not take place until that time of the end according to scripture essentially at the final judgement. But also this passage tells us when the law is fulfilled. All is fulfilled when? When heaven and earth pass away. Why, by the way? Because heaven and earth are the witnesses to the law in scripture. Keep reading though.
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Why would He say this knowing He was about to go to the cross if He were about to fulfill the law?
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So, you are saying Christ did not fulfill the law? Did he not say it is finished while on the cross?
33:12 There's only one day of judgment and that's when all souls are judged. All of them. Billions. Uh, Messiah's greatest work is to come. Uh, the cross was wonderful and very significant no doubt but he did not complete his work on the cross and no scripture actually says he does. That comes out of our pulpits but actually his greatest works are to come.
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So, you are saying Christ did not fulfill the law or complete His work, and we must still keep the law? Is that right?
20:05 For us to not keep his law, uh-oh here it comes, is also to not love Him. As if we love Him what do we do? John 15, keep my commandments. Even in revelation what are they found doing at the very end the end times remnant? Keeping His commandments, His law. Do we love him? This is a covenant folks and it is the way it works. See that's they way he defines this. It's a covenant relationship. This is intimacy wth the Creator. He loves you that much. He wants to be intimate with you in relationship. Are we in relationship with Him or not?
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You are equating and reducing our relationship with God to keeping the law. What about righteousness by faith apart from the law? Romans 3:21-22 says, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe."
19:30 So this is another example that we aren't to just have faith in Yahusha. That’s not enough. That’s not it. No, no, no, no. We are to keep His commandments.
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40:11 The law is what redeems us.
The law is what redeems us? But in Galatians 3:13 Paul says, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law." Paul also tells us Abraham was not justified by keeping the law but by his faith. Romans 4:3 says "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." That means he was righteous apart from the law.
16:44 Abraham kept the law and the sabbath. And so did Isaac and Jacob. I mean how can they be called righteous if there was no law by which they could be judged as righteous? The very notion is ridiculous from the start.
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It seems that you are saying a man is not saved by faith but by keeping the law.
11:39 Abiding is doing something, by the way. It's not sitting back and doing nothing. Abiding is something that you physically have to do in relationship with Him which is never defined in all of scripture as saying a shallow prayer and checking a box on a decision card.
If abiding in Christ is dependent upon our works and not the faithfulness of Jesus Christ who promised in John 10 I will give you eternal life and no man can pluck you out of my hand how can we ever have any assurance of our salvation?
27:46 People ask at times how do we know we are saved? Well, are you keeping the sabbath? That is the sign of one who is saved and in relationship with Him. Sorry, we tell the truth here.
So, keeping the Sabbath indicates we are saved?
22:35 One person commented drawing the conclusion that we teach sabbath is salvation and that, we want to call out right now, is absolutely ridiculous. Wrong. We never said that. We said knowing Him in a true relationship is and always has been, even in the Old Testament, salvation.
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A moment ago you said keeping the sabbath is "the sign of one who is saved." But now you are saying the opposite and that keeping the sabbath is not indicative of salvation. How do you reconcile this contradiction? Can a person lose their salvation if they do not keep the sabbath and the rest of the Mosaic law?
59:10 For if God spared not the natural branches, the Israelites, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Wait I thought you couldn't lose your salvation. Hmmm.
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8:20 There is no such thing as "once saved always saved" because you said a prayer. Forget it, it's not Scripture. Salvation is always in Scripture according to Paul, especially, a lifestyle. Again read Matthew 7, read John 15 the whole chapters and you will find Messiah defines salvation not Paul and Paul agrees with his definition and he has to. Most especially to Paul who just said so in this passage multiple times as he tells us that we should do good works, that we should walk, that we should have relationship. We're talking about action words here, we're talking about us having to do something. He's also saying to keep the law. That's doing something.
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Where does Jesus Christ fit in all of this? What need do we have of Him if our salvation depends on keeping the law? Isn't Jesus Christ the core of the entire Bible?
45:00 The Sabbath and the feasts are the core of the biblical calendar and of the entire bible.
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10:39 Again, is there salvation through the law? No. One is not saved by keeping the law. That is Pharisee doctrine, not what Paul says. Paul is clear there is only salvation through Yahushah Hamashiach.
It may sound confusing but it's actually very simple. It has become confusing because Pharisees have gotten their hands in it and mixed it up. We receive Him in making a decision to make Him our Lord. I mean a real decision not just saying a prayer and in fact a prayer is not even required. However we are saved if we continue in that relationship and this where the law comes in because if you claim Messiah is your lord you cannot serve the law of sin and death any longer. If you serve the law of sin and death He is not your Lord. Sorry but He's not. He can't be. You cannot serve two masters, right? He said that. And there is no reconciling the two opposite laws as somehow the same.
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Tim, you say that we are not saved by keeping the law but earlier you said that our relationship to God is defined by keeping the law which is the same thing as saying we are saved by keeping the law. You even said the law is what redeems us. Do you not see this as a contradiction? Isn't it true that while you are saying we must keep the law you are living in open sin by being married to a twice divorced woman which is something Jesus condemned when he said "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commiteth adultery?" How do you reconcile the contradiction between your doctrine of salvation by keeping the law and your living in open adultery?
35:46 Just so you know I am divorced and remarried myself. At the time I was ministering, leading worship and helps ministry, at a mega church in Florida in which that group of pastors assessed my situation and shows it was lawful and they married my Filipino wife and I in their Chapel with her full endorsement, many of those pastors even in attendance but their full support. We continue to be vetted and by many since and this woman is the largest blessing of my life. This is a blogger somehow who employ such distasteful, disgusting and demonic, poets who actually said my wife, my wonderful wife, should be put away.
How dare he. He better hope I am able to follow the commandments if I ever meet him, that's for sure.
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Let's move on to another topic. Do you believe in the Trinity? That God is three persons, the Father, Son, and Spirit, in one divine nature?
1:00:44 Then espousing some doctrine of men like Trinity which is a word that never even appears in scripture once. That's why you don't see any videos from us on that. We could care less about the doctrines of men.
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Yes, the word Trinity is not in the Bible but certainly the concept is right?
36:22 Moses wrote Genesis and he wrote Elohim in the beginning because the Elohim he refers to is two, the Father and the Son.
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What about the Holy Spirit? Isn't He also God?
1:27:47 Yahusha said Moses wrote of me. Hello? He did so in Genesis and Jubilees first and actually if we went back even further uh, when it says "In the beginning Elohim said", right, Elohim created the heavens and the earth, well, that word Elohim is there, not God, by the way. It's Elohim in Hebrew and it's plural. It's two. It's the Father and the Son. Some throw in the Holy Spirit uh, we can't find any Scriptures where the Holy Spirit is a creator, but whatever.
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You say that the Holy Spirit is not God but everything He does, everything attributed to Him, indicates he is God. In Ephesians 2:22 Paul says we "are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Surely that would mean the Spirit of God is divine?
13:08 There's no mention in Jubilees of the Holy Spirit specifically. Uh, Moses doesn't separate him out there, uh, and that may be telling, uh, but we're, we're not sure on that though we'll keep researching. Uh, he mentions all the spirits that serve before Him, uh, which are indisputably angels. Uh, whether the Holy Spirit is included in that we don't know. Uh, that's a topic for another series requiring a lot of research we're not going to touch yet but we will eventually. We'd like to get to that, anyway. We know He was there though and that the Angels weren't yet, uh, at that point on Genesis 1:2. Uh, so if if He was created per se He would have been created before, uh, the Angels not at the same time and certainly not lumped in with them. So, not sure that, that that's the case and He very well may be. Uh, yes he's the Eternal Holy Spirit but Eternal, uh, the angels are Eternal, man is eternal so that doesn't mean that He existed prior to being created if he was a creation like other Spirits. There's just no mention of Him as existing prior and the word Eternal does not denote no beginning, again. So, there's no scripture that really says, okay, and that may actually tell us much.
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You heard it here folks. The Holy Spirit, the very spirit of God who dwells within us and seals our redemption, is a creation.
Tim, tell us what future projects you are working on.
2:30:58 But we're working on a textbook. A real textbook. A four year course that will teach, especially Filipinos but people all over the world, the foundation of the Bible which includes the Philippines. Because it includes the Garden of Eden which is here. You don't get a more significant land than that of the Garden of Eden, the very land of creation itself. So, we're working on that project right now and we hope to get that out in time.
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A real textbook? Does that mean your books and videos will be taught in the classroom?
1:01:35 Of course we we understand there's a lot of professors out there whose jobs are at stake if they took a stand for this. But do you know there are some that are teaching this in classrooms? I won't expose them but there's one who asked us for Solomon's Treasure and we sent them copies for their classrooms. There's another one that's using the videos and they're actually showing Solomon's Gold Series in the college classroom.
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Thanks for taking the time to talk with us Tim. I am sure the audience has learned quite a lot from what you have to say about the Philippines and the Bible.
1:41:40 I want to thank you for having us on.
And there you have it folks. That was Timothy Jay Schwab of The God Culture. A man who believes Filipinos will fight the anti-christ, faith in Christ is not enough to save a person, one can lose their salvation, and the Holy Spirit, the very spirit of God himself who dwells within all believers, is a creature. Is that what you believe too? Good night everybody and see you next time.
