Timothy Jay Schwab of The God Culture is working his way through the book of 1 Enoch in a 52 week series. Like Jubilees he is not going straight through the text but is jumping around. The seventh video in the series covers 1 Enoch 26. This video is very important because in it Tim finally discusses the cosmology of the earth. Pulling no punches he comes out in favor of the flat-earth.
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| Answers in First Enoch Part 7: Enoch's Middle of the Earth. Exiting Inner Earth |
1:17 This video is so important though because we're going to discuss the cosmology of the earth. It's time. There is no reading and understanding the whole of scripture for that matter, but especially Enoch and Jubilees, without understanding that Enoch, Noah, Moses and all the prophets and all the apostles wrote from a perspective of the earth being the center of, what we call the solar system, but of our system. In essence the sun running a circuit around it as well as the moon kind of like the yin and yang in imagery. Right? If you can picture that.
What is the cosmology of the earth and our solar system? According to Enoch the earth is flat, the sun is powered by the wind and moves through portals, and the moon tags along with it. Also there are no planets because the Bible, and especially Enoch who was taken into the heavens to see the cosmos, never mentions any.
It will not be my intention in this article to prove the rotundity of the earth or the distance of the sun or the fact that there are indeed planets. Instead I am going to tear apart Tim's faulty reasoning and straight out lies. Note that for Tim the established heliocentric cosmology is a religion that must be taken on faith.
5:57 Observance tells us the same. we know this with our eyes but we're told to ignore our eyes our scientific observation and accept their spinning ball in faith which is never something they've ever proven. You've never seen the earth move but you see the sun moon and stars move daily. Only in Babylonian style or mystery basically Babylon religion does the sun become the center of the solar system. Yes, they're even carvings on the walls uh in Babylon and Syria that demonstrate that with the nine planets, a solar system. That's their religion that's a religious view it's not science no one has ever seen such.
Why would Tim excoriate anyone for taking anything on faith? Tim's entire project is taken on faith. He never saw the kingdom of Ophir with his eyes or found any evidence of such a kingdom in the Philippines. He never saw Enoch write the book of Enoch yet he claims Enoch is the author. For Tim to bash a view that must be taken on faith is hypocritical.
If the facts that the earth is round and the sun is 93 million miles away are taken on faith it is not an empty faith. It is a faith based on observation, math, and science. The same goes for Tim's project. His faith that the Garden of Eden is buried beneath the floor of the Sulu Sea is based on his reading of Jubilees.
Tim continues by telling us that Enoch, after traveling through the inside of the earth, popped out at the North Pole which is the center of the world. This in itself is totally wrong. Enoch does not visit the interior of the earth. Tim is completely mangling Enoch 17 through 26 to make it appear like Enoch was taking a guided tour of the bowels of the earth. It's just not true. Enoch visits several places and at no point are we told he entered the interior of the earth.
This longer section of the Enoch saga consists of a series of journeys of the patriarch, accompanied by his angelus interpres, which are a remarkable blend of geographical and botanical fact, based possibly on actual travels in the east (Milik suggests that the author may have been a traveller involved in the trade in aromatics), combined with mythological and apocalyptic fantasy. The result is the second of the most famous of the Enoch traditions the forerunner if not the prototype of Dante's Paradise and Inferno the seer's revelations, in the course of his terrestrial and extra-terrestrial journeys, of the secrets of the heavenly realms and of the nether world, of Hades or Sheol and of Paradise.
Matthew Black, The Book of Enoch p.15
That means everything in this video and in the previous videos are all wrong. There is a visit to Sheol which Enoch sees inside a mountain in chapter 24 but there is no visit to the interior of the earth. This flub makes him give totally zany interpretations. Like in 24:1 where Enoch says he saw "a mountain range of fire which burnt day and night."
These are the Mountains of Fire Noah used on the surface as Shem's SE border in Indonesia. Gunung Gunung Api in Javanese. Enoch views them here from within the Earth.
Get it? Enoch is describing volcanoes as seen from the interior of the Earth. That is stupid and does not convey the proper meaning of the text which is that Enoch saw a mountain range on fire.
According to Tim's interpretation of Enoch there is a huge mountain at the North Pole. Now obviously there is no mountain at the North Pole. But that's because Enoch is describing the world before the flood and now that mountain is submerged. However, the legend of a mountain being at the North Pole survives in a map from 1595.
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13:51 Now, this is fascinating. Enoch is in the North Pole and we're going to use the 1595 Mercator map of the arctic which actually matches. Now, this is based on legend, legend passed down from well, likely, what it looks like to us before the flood by enoch in fact as this fits his description but nothing in what we see today when we go to the north pole. it's just not, it doesn't look like this anymore. And don't forget to those same scientists claim the north pole moves around even so no one can find it of course that's their point I guess because that'd be the only dumb reason to say such a stupid thing. Uh, the poll moves every year or whatever really I mean these aren't scientists. That is unscientific Enoch sees this and there I saw a holy mountain. Wow! Okay so, a holy mountain and we're at the North Pole. Hmm.What is that? Now, you can see the mountain in the center on the screen on Mercator's map. Uh, he's not exact here of course and he's going by, again, ancient legend really. No one saw this after the flood because the North pole no longer looks like this. This was the North Pole before the flood, in Enoch's description before the flood. It's covered with water and ice now so, totally different.
Tim will go on to claim that this mountain is Mt. Zion.
15:40 There are only three holy mountains on Earth especially before the flood. There is Mount Sinai but we all know that's in Saudi Arabia and that's firm so that's ruled out. We aren't there. In fact Enoch will go there next so it cannot be that at all. Then there is the Mount of the East which is in the Garden of Eden in the far east. We are not in the far east yet either because, again, Enoch will go there in a series of directions to the east that's where he'll end up and then he'll go to the edges of the earth really so that can't be it either. Thus logically there's only one left. The only holy mountain is Mount Zion. I know you've heard of the Mount Zion in Israel a mountain named in the days of David actually it appears not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses nope. David. Not even Joshua. David. That's a long time after so that is because it's named after the heavenly Mount Zion in the North Pole the actual holy mountain. And we'll show you. Again, this is well affirmed in scripture and especially Jubilees but this has to be the holy mountain and it is in the North Pole. There you go.
Not only is this the true original Mt. Zion but this is where Jesus will return.
1:02:22 Yahusha does not come down in Jerusalem Israel but in the North Pole
1:03:42 This is messiah's return mount Zion the one in the end is the one in the north pole not the one in israel
Now, all of that is complete rubbish. The short version why the North Pole is Mt Zion is that in the Book of Jubilees Noah is dividing the earth and he calls Mt. Zion the navel of the earth in 8:19. Because Noah was using Enoch's pre-flood geography to divide the earth Noah knew Mt. Zion was at the North Pole. But in Enoch there is never a mention of Mt. Zion. R.H. Charles' note on the text says this is indeed Mt. Zion but the one in Israel. Saying that the true Mt. Zion is a submerged mountain at the North Pole renders Jubilees 8:19 unintelligible. There is only one Mt. Zion in all of scripture and it's in Israel. This is more proof that Jubilees was written in the 3rd or 2nd century before Christ. I have previously written about this anachronism.
Let me also add that north, south, east, and west are all meaningless on a flat earth model and there would be no such thing as the North Pole. A north pole requires the earth to be round.
A geographical pole or geographic pole is either of the two points on Earth where its axis of rotation intersects its surface. The North Pole lies in the Arctic Ocean while the South Pole is in Antarctica. North and South poles are also defined for other planets or satellites in the Solar System, with a North pole being on the same side of the invariable plane as Earth's North pole
The existence of the North Pole presumes the existence of the South Pole and thus a round earth. Tim has really not thought this through.
Tim claims this map is based on the book of Enoch which was passed down as a legend.
19:10 So basically what we see here is Mercator in 1595 it seems, it sure does appear, that he was essentially mapping the legend found in Enoch. Uh, sure they will be, you know. there'll be a claim that, uh, he got it from a sailor and I believe, he, I believe, that is the claim but we're not even going to go back and cover that.
Why would anybody claim Mercator drew his map based on the tales of a sailor when the fact is he got it from a book that is no longer existent titled Inventio Fortuna?
Inventio Fortunata (also Inventio Fortunate, Inventio Fortunat or Inventio Fortunatae), "Fortunate, or fortune-making, discovery", is a lost book, probably dating from the 14th century, containing a description of the North Pole as a magnetic island (the Rupes Nigra) surrounded by a giant whirlpool and four continents. No direct extracts from the document have been discovered, but its influence on the Western idea of the geography of the Arctic region persisted for several centuries.
The concept of the pole as a magnetic mountain goes back at least to Roman times, but the author of Inventio Fortunata added other features to the picture as well as measurements. Whether or not the Inventio is the source of the medieval concept of the North Pole as a magnetic mountain surrounded by a circular continent divided by four powerful rivers, maps as early as Martin Behaim's 1492 globe depict the region in this way.
Gerardus Mercator's world map of 1569 reflects his reading of Cnoyen's Itinerarium. It also features a marginal note alluding to the Franciscan's "discovery", but not to the book itself, which he never saw:
- "we have taken [the Arctic geography] from the Itinerium of Jacobus Cnoyen of the Hague, who makes some citations from the Gesta of Arthur of Britain; however, the greater and most important part he learned from a certain priest at the court of the king of Norway in 1364. He was descended in the fifth generation from those whom Arthur had sent to inhabit these lands, and he related that in the year 1360 a certain Minorite, an Englishman from Oxford, a mathematician, went to those islands; and leaving them, advanced still farther by magic arts and mapped out all and measured them by an astrolabe in practically the subjoined figure, as we have learned from Jacobus. The four canals there pictured he said flow with such current to the inner whirlpool, that if vessels once enter they cannot be driven back by wind."
The mountain at the center of the Arctic is not a mountain. It is a magnetic rock island.
The Rupes Nigra ("Black Rock"), a phantom island, is believed to be a 33-mile-wide black rock (Mercator actually describes the rock's circumference as 33 "French" miles) located at the Magnetic North Pole or at the North Pole itself. It purportedly explains why all compasses point to this location. The idea comes from a lost work titled Inventio Fortunata, and the island features on maps from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, including those of Gerardus Mercator and his successors. Mercator describes the island in a 1577 letter to John Dee:
- In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Stone [Jacobus Cnoyen] years ago.
Not only does Tim not understand this map but he does not want to understand it. Instead he wishes to twist it to fit his narrative. If Tim had taken the time to actually research this map he would know all the above facts about it. This is just more of his scurrilous and unscrupulous method of twisting whatever he comes across to fit his view.
For a good part of this video Tim pulls up several maps to show that the ancient view of the earth is that it is flat and the North Pole is the center of the earth. You mean to tell me that men who drew maps of the earth on flat surfaces drew them...flat!? I am shocked I tell ya, shocked! The last map he discusses is one drawn by Orlando Ferugson in 1893. Ferguson claims the Bible does not support the idea that the earth is a globe spinning through space and that his map is an accurate representation of what the Bible teaches.
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Aside from the globe Earth Ferugson also disbelieved in the existence of other planets. Tim agrees wholeheartedly.
44:26 He notes there are no planets in the bible and that is accurate. He's right. That's true. Not a single other planet is ever mentioned in scripture. It's not there nor is it in Enoch not once and he saw everything. So what does it mean that it's absent? Hmmm.
29:30 No one has ever proven that Jupiter is actually a planet. Just because they show us a representation of an animation of what they think it might possibly look like if they actually could see it and they can't.
If the Bible doesn't mention something then apparently it doesn't exist. So long algebra, auto mechanics, the periodic table, DNA, computers, and Timothy Jay Schwab. You don't exist because the Bible does not mention you. Does Tim even know what a planet is? It's Greek for wandering star (I can just hear him screaming that means Nephilim according to Jude). You can see them travel an irregular path across the sky with the naked eye.
The five classical planets of the Solar System, being visible to the naked eye, have been known since ancient times and have had a significant impact on mythology, religious cosmology, and ancient astronomy. In ancient times, astronomers noted how certain lights moved across the sky, as opposed to the "fixed stars", which maintained a constant relative position in the sky. Ancient Greeks called these lights πλάνητες ἀστέρες (planētes asteres, "wandering stars") or simply πλανῆται (planētai, "wanderers"), from which today's word "planet" was derived.
You can also use a telescope to view the planets and verify that Juipter is indeed a huge gaseous planet. You can see the rings of Saturn through a telescope with your own eyes just like Galileo did. There are no such thing as planets and Jupiter has never been proven to be a planet are about the most ignorant things Tim says in this video. Here are a few other things Tim says that are just as ignorant.
37:30. We would notice the speed of the earth.
1:08:56 The god they call gravity
1:11:00 There are no pictures of the Earth from space.
1:12:54 Have you ever seen a satellite pass between the moon and earth because they, they, they do supposedly, They're, they're not beyond the moon right so they're in between so shouldn't we cease when we observe some kind of movement there especially and especially with a telescope yet no one has it's another lie
1:15:40 If the sun is 93 million miles away how does it set in front of clouds?
All of that is is easily answered. We don't notice the speed of the earth because of relativity. Same as when you are driving a car you don't feel the speed because you are actually stationary while the car is moving. Also the speed of the earth's rotation is constant. Gravity is a force not a god and it is what keeps everything on the earth. There are many pictures of earth from space. Satellites pass between the moon and Earth all the time. Watch them do it here. The sun appearing behind clouds is an optical illusion caused at sunset by thin clouds being obscured by bright rays.
The long and short of it is that in this video Timothy Jay Schwab promotes the flat earth and a hodgepodge of junk pseudoscience. According to him it's not only what the Bible teaches but it best explains what we observe. However, despite believing and teaching that the earth is flat Tim says he is no flat earther.
1:20:00 No, we are not flat earthers just as we do not call ourselves the very negative term in the Bible of Christian. No thank you.
Tim is definitely right that he is no Christian. He is a heretic who has long since left the Body of Christ, the Church. But when it comes to being a flat earther, he may choose to not use that term but that is exactly what he is. I mean he actually says Antarctica is an ice wall keeping the ocean from spilling out.
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Tradewind: If earth is flat..there should be barriers at d ends, so the water wouldnt spillThe God Culture: It's called Antarctica and the firmament. Yah Bless.
It should be noted that at no time in this video does Tim say bluntly, "The Earth is flat." That is a very sneaky thing to do because throughout this video he teaches the earth is flat!
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