While tracing a few leads trying to find the origin of the resurgence of the Philippines is Ophir doctrine in modern times I ran across something quite odd that goes by the name of the "Dine with the Ancestors Havilah Rites of the Lakanate of Tondo." On May 12th, 2019 Timothy Jay Schwab of The God Culture took part in these rites.
The "Dine with the Ancestors Havilah Rites of the Lakanate of Tondo". As suggested by Pastor Paul Medrano, this special rite is a variation of the classic Dine with the Ancestors Ritual but this is done when the participants talks about the Lakanate of Tondo; and the Hebrew, Ophir, and the Lakanate of Lawan connections of the ancient Philippine civilization. This rite happened on May 12: the Dine with the Ancestors Havilah Rites started with the arrival welcome through a ringing of a bell in the House of Dulay Mendoza of the Lakanate of Tondo in Marikina Valley.
Then the guests talked freely while partaking grapes kept in the ancient plates that came from the Lakan Dula household and red wine on top of an antique table, and beside an antique lamp and the bayonet of Ceferino Dulay, the 4th hereditary leader of the Dulay Clan of Marikina Valley when he was a guerilla leader during WW ll and the guests also played with friendly poodles surnamed by the Philippine Canine Club as Dulay. Then they proceeded to the House of Kapitan Moy, the founder of Marikina shoe industry, Marikina being the Shoe Capital of the Philippines, then walked across the Miraculous Shrine of Our Lady of the Abandoned, one of the ten prettiest churches in Metro Manila and host of the third longest Holy Week procession in the Philippines. Then, the guests proceeded to the secret cemetery of the church to visit the tomb of the Hebrew - blooded Juana Mendoza Cerbito and Ceferino Rivas Dulay, a descendant of Lakan Dula. Then the guests went to the Shoe Museum, an old Spanish Jail where Macario Sakay of Tondo was jailed and presently keeps the famous shoes of Imelda Marcos of Samar Leyte, and, finally back to the House of the Dulay Mendoza for a Marikina dinner of local dishes of waknatoy, everlasting, locally grown fruits, as well as prunes and nuts from the middle eastern countries -- to have the taste of Havilah. Timothy, the author of the famous Solomon's Gold, the God Culture in the You Tube announced a change of his name into Pedro. This rite is only done for Top Leaders of an organization.
Some of the talks during the visit was that Manila Mayor Isko Moreno is from Allen, a part of Northern Samar, which according to Australian studies, a part of the Philippines which is the homeland of the Polynesians. Otley Bayer said that there are already people in the Philippines 250,000 years ago and this was confirmed by a French study which says that the Philippines has been populated by men as early as 700,000 years ago. Some old Filipino historians still have the mindset of "Filipinos are savage and it has to be discovered and cultured by anything foreign". These local historians refuse to mention that there is a civilization of Viking – like people based in the Lakanate of Lawan in Northern Samar (Samar was derived from Samaria). The Samar civilization was once headed by Datu Iberein as written by historian Henry Scott, and take note of the name -- very Jewish -- and consistent with Jewish Samar from Samaria. These people have siday (native epic) in which one of them is Bingi of Lawan, as mentioned by historian Alcina. They have the Almuraya which is an ancient ruin and they have royal burial jars -- all evidences would point that this civilization could be the biblical Ophir, the homeland of the Polynesians and Viking – like people who sent people to Tondo and different parts of the Philippines. and islands in the Pacific Ocean, including the people of Taiwan.
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In May of 2019 in between stops on his RISE UP evangelical conference tour Timothy Schwab and his wife participated in the secret "Dine with the Ancestors Havilah Rites of the Lakanate of Tondo." This consists in partaking of grapes and red wine served on top of an antique table and surrounded by artifacts from the ancestors consisting of an antique lamp and WW 2 era bayonet. It looked like this:
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I don't want to be a party pooper but who participates in secret rites in front of the television? And who, when they are invited to an auspicious and secret ritualistic dinner with the ancestors, dresses like a schlub?
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Did Timothy leave all his pants, polo t-shirts, and shoes back in the states?
Is this just a regular dinner with some important or rich people? No. It's not. The Lakanate of Tondo is one of the Royal Houses of the Philippines. Sofronio Dulay, also know as Toti, is the Grand Patriarch of the Lakan Dula Clan as well as the Grand Patriarch of the Principalia Hereditary Council of the Philippines.
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Sofronio Dulay's CV can be read here. It is rather extensive but when reading it things become clear real quick. He has been involved in print media and at one time worked for the Family Planning Council of the Philippines which is a subsidiary of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation. He even organized an IPPF conference in 1994. According to his biography he was a member of the Knights of Columbus and is currently a member of Opus Dei both Roman Catholic organizations. What kind of Roman Catholic works for Planed Parenthood? His biography and CV coupled with the fact that he is part of a noble house screams globalist and in fact he recently made a video advocating for world government.
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In this video Sofronio Dulay reads from the Globalist Manifesto and gives his thoughts on the matter. This manifesto can be found on his own website here. Added to the globalist manifesto are the Illuminati Prime Directives. The author of this page says they are not part of the original manifesto but are meant to smear the Jews. Then why add them? Because those directives are the plan for global government. They are the goals many have been working towards for over a century now. Namely population reduction. sterilization, vegetarianism, and the elimination of nationalism. In the above video Sofronio Dulay says something quite odd at 15:23. He says:
World government's objective is to save the world, save humanity. Don't ask who is behind me, who is orchestrating me. They are irrelevant!
Obviously someone is behind him orchestrating the show and he knows it. He doesn't want you to know it. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" It's a deeper rabbit hole down which to plunge involving his Alma Mater the Asian Institute of Management which was started by the Harvard business school and the Ford Foundation, one of the most unapologetically globalist foundations there is. The AIM is a school whose aim is to train globalists.
Back to the dinner ritual. After partaking of the grapes and the wine and visiting the dead Timothy was reborn.
Timothy, the author of the famous Solomon's Gold, the God Culture in the You Tube announced a change of his name into Pedro. This rite is only done for Top Leaders of an organization.
Tim ritualistically ate grapes and drank wine on an old table surrounded by the ancestors. Then Tim, as "a Top Leader of an organization," was born again receiving the new name of Pedro.
Think of the symbology of this secret rite. The symbology of transformation. The grapes are transformed into wine. The symbol of death and rebirth. Wine as the blood of the grape. Wine as blood of the ancestors. Drinking said blood while being surrounded by symbols of the dead ancestors. The antique lamp with its light representing their wisdom. Both the antique plates and the bayonet being fetish objects which the spirits of the ancestors inhabit. Afterwards they go visit a secret cemetery where the dead ancestors lie buried and pay them homage. One of them even had Hebrew blood coursing through his veins while he lived. Then they go visit a museum where Imelda Marcos's shoes are on display. What about the symbol of the shoes? Figuratively the Marcos' walked all over Filipinos when they were in power. Those shoes represent the power of the ruling elite of which Sofronio Dulay is a part even though he does not want you to know that.
Their unassuming secretive patriarch of the modern times does not rule, he reigns privately with circle of personal advisers, the personal leadership style he inherited from the earlier traditional leaders of the descendancy, a reaction from the centuries of Spanish persecutions. He might even deny his hereditary and historical role and designation; or he might point to somebody else when talking to a non descendant. Descendants who are close to the patriarch will not point directly to him as their patriarch but if needed, they will only indirectly identify him as the one who has been very active in coordinating the present Lakanate of Tondo.
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As the scripture says:
Psalm 60:8 Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe: Philistia, triumph thou because of me.
Meaning Edom shall become a slavish subject just as Filipinos were slavishly subjected to the yoke of the Marcoses. The shoe is a symbol of ruling power.
After all these rituals are completed Tim is then born again taking on the new and secret name of Pedro. Why Pedro? Pedro is Spanish for Peter. The Apostle Peter was the Apostle to the circumcision or Israel. Now Tim (Pedro) has relocated to the Philippines where he will be holding evangelistic conferences preaching to Filipinos whom he believes are part of the lost tribes of Israel.
Think of the hypocrisy here as well. Tim (Pedro) says we have to worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) and keep the Feasts of the Lord because all else (Sunday, Easter, Christmas) are pagan. Yet this man has participated in an occult symbolic blood ritual wherein he was born again and given a new name. A ritual that is not so very different than the initiation rites of the Skull and Bones or the Freemasons.
In the recent video "What's Going On?" Tim (Pedro) reflects on the nationwide, indeed worldwide, quarantine and lockdown positing that God is forcing the whole world to take a sabbath.
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He starts off by saying at 0:58
As I look out over the Philippine landscape I see its majestic mountains of Eden and it causes me to pause and reflect on their importance. On the significance of this land of creation.
How is Tim (Pedro) able to see the mountains of Eden when there is a Cherubim with a flaming sword keeping out all comers? (Gen 3:24) How did Tim get past that fearsome guardian and into Eden?
Next he says at 1:58
And all of a sudden a familiar sound from a neighboring house. What do Filipinos do when they are home? Well, karaoke of course. I'm kidding. It's usually special occasions and some after consuming much alcohol but this one they didn't need alcohol for they began singing at 7 am. Now before one thinks this is a bad thing remember the prophesy of Isaiah the Philippines will sing a new song.This is exactly what I meant when I wrote that for Tim "Filipinos as they are cease to exist and instead become the idealized fantasies he wishes for them to be." In this case instead of being unbelievably rude by singing karaoke at 7 am it is only a reminder that one day these members of the lost tribes of Israel will be singing a new song to the Lord. What does he think when he opens his window in the morning and breathes in the smoke of a burning trash or leaf pile?
Perhaps instead of seeing and smelling a noxious pile of burning leaves he is reminded of this verse from Revelation:
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-8-4/
The latter part of this video consists of Tim (Pedro) lying to his audience by telling them that Constantine changed the Sabbath day to Sunday.
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It is obvious he did not read the book he is quoting from as he calls the author, Philip Schaff, a Catholic. Schaff was actually a Protestant and he wrote one of the best Church Histories out there. He would do well to read it. If only Tim (Pedro) had read the preceding paragraphs he would have been disabused of the false notion that Constantine changed the Christian day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
The observance of Sunday originated in the time of the apostles, and ever since forms the basis of public worship, with its ennobling, sanctifying, and cheering influences, in all Christian lands.
The Christian Sabbath is, on the one hand, the continuation and the regeneration of the Jewish Sabbath, based upon God’s resting from the creation and upon the fourth commandment of the decalogue, which, as to its substance, is not of merely national application, like the ceremonial and civil law, but of universal import and perpetual validity for mankind. It is, on the other hand, a new creation of the gospel, a memorial of the resurrection of Christ and of the work of redemption completed and divinely sealed thereby. It rests, we may say, upon the threefold basis of the original creation, the Jewish legislation, and the Christian redemption, and is rooted in the physical, the moral, and the religious wants of our nature. It has a legal and an evangelical aspect. Like the law in general, the institution of the Christian Sabbath is a wholesome restraint upon the people, and a schoolmaster to lead them to Christ. But it is also strictly evangelical: it was originally made for the benefit of man, like the family, with which it goes back beyond the fall to the paradise of innocence, as the second institution of God on earth; it was "a delight" to the pious of the old dispensation (Isa. lviii. 13), and now, under the new, it is fraught with the glorious memories and blessings of Christ’s resurrection and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The Christian Sabbath is the ancient Sabbath baptized with fire and the Holy Ghost, regenerated, spiritualized, and glorified. It is the connecting link of creation and redemption, of paradise lost, and paradise regained, and a pledge and preparation for the saints’ everlasting rest in heaven.
https://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/3_ch07.htm
He does not have to agree with the reasons that the Church has worshipped on Sunday since the time of the Apostles but he has no right to lie about the matter. Why does Tim (Pedro) continue to lie about this subject of the sabbath? He goes on in the video to say the cross is not a Christian symbol but originates with Mithras. Cleary the man is in a sect of his own making as he advocates positions held by both the Seventh Day Adventists who are Sabbatarians and the Jehovah's Witnesses who call the cross pagan. He also has his own bizarre ideas about the "clock of creation" which he pontificates on in the first part of the video.
I will tell you why he focuses on the sabbath so much. It is because his whole scheme of religion (relationship he says) consists in faith in Christ plus keeping the law.
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In the video "Lost Tribes Series: Part 4A: Grafted Into the Kingdom" Tim (Pedro) lays out on the table for all to see what he thinks salvation consists of. The gist of it is that a man must believe in Christ and keep the law. The law has not passed away says Tim (Pedro) therefore we are bound to keep the Mosaic law. He does not mention this but the Mosaic law includes commandments about sacrifices, festivals, shaving, dietary laws, menstruation and many other things of which the Apostle Peter says:
Acts 15:10: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-15-10/
The Mosaic law does not consist of just the ten commandments as a code for personal holiness. Rather it consists of hundreds of laws designed to erect a religious and civic polity for the nation of Israel. It is a national code of law involving all circumstances of life. The Mosaic law with all its promises and curses (Deuteronomy 28) is the substance of the covenant God made with the nation of Israel. Apart from living in a society that is structured on this code, apart from being in the covenant nation of Israel there is no keeping of the law.
Tim (Pedro) is an absolute fool to think he or anyone can keep the Mosaic law. The law demands perfect obedience and neither Tim (Pedro) nor anyone else will ever manifest that obedience. Without engaging in a protracted theological discourse let me point out that in this video Tim (Pedro) spews forth his extreme ignorance of the scriptures and the plan of salvation it contains.
Tim (Pedro) is an absolute fool to think he or anyone can keep the Mosaic law. The law demands perfect obedience and neither Tim (Pedro) nor anyone else will ever manifest that obedience. Without engaging in a protracted theological discourse let me point out that in this video Tim (Pedro) spews forth his extreme ignorance of the scriptures and the plan of salvation it contains.
He is ignorant of the new covenant which differs from that made at Sinai. Jeremiah 31: 31-34.
He is ignorant that this new covenant is made through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Matthew 26:28.
He is ignorant of the fact that Jesus Christ is not a priest after the order of the Levites but after Melchisidec and that as a consequence of the priesthood changing the law has been changed. Hebrews 7:11-12.
He is ignorant of that fact that Paul equates the covenant at Mt. Sinai with Hagar, who represents the flesh, and bondage. Galatians 4:22-29.
He is ignorant of the fact that the law is a schoolmaster who leads us to Christ. Galatians 3:24
He is ignorant of the fact that righteousness does not come through the law nor is their a synergy between the law and faith but all our righteousness comes from Christ or else he died in vain. Galatians 2:21.
He is ignorant that Jesus Christ himself abrogates the Mosaic law in the Sermon on the Mount when he says several times, "You have heard it said...But I say unto you." For example Jesus contradicts Moses by forbidding divorce except in the case of adultery and by forbidding the divorced parties to remarry. That is to say Jesus forbids divorce and remarriage which is stricter than even Moses! (Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:3-9) Anyone who has divorced their spouse except for adultery or married a divorced person is in a state of lawlessness and no amount of law keeping can rectify that situation.
He is ignorant that Jesus Christ himself abrogates the Mosaic law in the Sermon on the Mount when he says several times, "You have heard it said...But I say unto you." For example Jesus contradicts Moses by forbidding divorce except in the case of adultery and by forbidding the divorced parties to remarry. That is to say Jesus forbids divorce and remarriage which is stricter than even Moses! (Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:3-9) Anyone who has divorced their spouse except for adultery or married a divorced person is in a state of lawlessness and no amount of law keeping can rectify that situation.
He is completely ignorant of the power and sovereignty of God saying at the beginning of this video that God did not cause 9/11 while in the video "What is Going On?" he refuses to say God has brought about COVID-19. The God he worships is completely caught unawares by these events whereas the Bible is very clear that God brings about all things and does whatsoever he will upon the earth.
Amos 3:6 “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amos-3-6/
Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-45-7/
Daniel 4:35 “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-35/In short Tim (Pedro) is ignorant of church history, ignorant of the purpose for which Jesus Christ died and rose again, ignorant of the plan of salvation, ignorant of man's spiritual state (Jeremiah 17:9) because he thinks man is able to keep the law, ignorant of the new covenant, ignorant of the necessity of having a circumcised heart, ignorant of the need to be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, ignorant of basic Christianity which teaches that the law is fulfilled in and by Christ, ignorant that the Gospel saves while the law condemns. As John says:
John 1:17 "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-1-17/But then again Tim (Pedro) might not be ignorant of these things at all. Rather he might be willingly teaching these false doctrines as he says he was once a part of the church and now he rejects what the church teaches! He is out to change paradigms and "Challenge Tradition." If that is the case then he is nothing but an obstinate heretic.
Where do we even go from here?
Now that we know Tim (Pedro) has participated in an initiatory occult ritual with the Roman Catholic Patriarch of one of the royal houses of the Philippines it is time to ask who is this man? Why is he hanging out with the royal elite who promote globalism? Who is funding him and his evangelistic conferences? Who brought him here to preach his false doctrine? Who are the members of his alleged research team? How far down does the rabbit hole go with The God Culture and Timothy (Pedro) Schwab?
Yet again, another libelous, fraudulent blog out of context and in ignorance as this blogger hasn’t even watched videos he attacks especially not the series which has not watched 1 yet continues to blog in ignorance. We do not make one-off videos for the most part but they represent a progressing case in which we build on other videos or every video would require 10 hours. One will really hack that up by watching part of a video or worse, because this ignorant blogger is incapable of watching nor representing anything in context, he takes screenshots and tries to focus on 1 frame of 1 video which is a part of a series. We deal with Messiah, His Apostles and the Early Church with abundant scripture and even early church quotes in Spring Feasts in the New Testament Parts 1 & 2:
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You will find these videos will make this blogger look very foolish as he says we say things we do not, can’t even understand when we say we are quoting Catholic.com and even place the link on screen, etc. but let’s not pretend there is any desire from this fraud to represent anything by misdirection because we have already proven he is willing to commit libel, fraud, negligence and harassment among others. He has no standards nor journalistic ethics in the slightest which this personal attack of libel we will address later especially demonstrates. This David Roxas PhilippinesFails I nothing but a fraud in his absolute misrepresentation of facts consistently thus, this is a purposeful malicious hack job as usual. This will be dealt with soon.
Messiah's Words:
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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
When does Heaven and Earth pass? Not until the Day of Final Judgment when they are made new. In other words, that has not happened yet and His law still in tact as not one letter of it has passed away nor did He abolish it. You either believe scripture or you do not. Are you teaching this false interpretation as Roxas commits? The Bible addresses that too and you will be the lowest in the Kingdom assuming you are saved of course. We teach this accurately to scripture. No other passage can be twisted to go against this one as it would call Jesus a liar yet this blogger is the liar indeed. If that is not clear enough read Messiah's definition of Salvation in John 15 and Matthew 7 which are very clear those who are saved will be found keeping His commandments, those who love Him keep His commandments and even later in Revelation, the end times remnant will be found keeping His commandments which never changed. The New covenant is based on the Old just as the New Testament is based in the Old and one will never understand it without understanding the Old. The prophets did not waste their time writing books that were temporary. Daniel especially was told his writing would not even be understood in part until the very end meaning his writing does not pass away. This thinking is the occult infiltrating the church which this David Roxas of PhilippinesFails (a disgusting name fitting for this disgusting display he continues). If Roxas could read or listen, and he has proven to be greatly challenged in this area, he would know Tim quotes Catholic.com on that slide as the Catholic Church admits Constantine changed the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. The notion that some may have switched it prior especially in pagan Rome is impertinent as none of them decreed it to the entire empire. Constantine did. Of course, they then attempt to parse words in witchcraft saying, he did not change the Sabbath which was still observed in the 7 churches of Revelation on Saturday. He merely decreed what many Romans already observed. They say he did not abolish the Saturday Sabbath. However, that's ignorance as to decree a Sunday day of rest for businesses and communities meant those observing the Biblical Saturday must work on Saturday and rest on Sunday. This changed the Sabbath and only a fool would attempt debate on that. Of course, this all strays very far from a series in which Roxas attacks and attacks and loses every debate because he has to resort to lies to make points which are not points.
Since this moron can’t listen nor read nor does he represent any education but disinformation garbage, here is the quote Tim shared on 1 slide regarding Constantine directly from Catholic.com who say Constantine changed the Sabbath period! Even the link in onscreen but this hack can only misrepresent.
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“Edict of Constantine
On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.
Constantine’s decree was most likely modeled on pagan sun worship, though it is probable that he also intended to benefit the church (right! The High Priest of Mithraism intended to benefit the Christian Church. Sure, after he hijacked it. He changed the Sabbath observance to his day of the sun god, Mithra and infused other elements of paganism as well. He clearly favored Mithraism and paganism and the sun god not Yahuah and never did He worship Him, nor did he ever see Yahuah’s sign in the sky because the cross in the sun is the ancient symbol of paganism all the way back to Babylon. In fact, it too is the symbol in Hebrew for the Mark of Cain, yep that’s a cross. Keep reading.), which already met for worship on Sunday…”
Yes, we acknowledged in that video some met on Sunday but the Saturday Sabbath still kept by the original church, who is not in Rome but Revelation defines in Turkey, did not change until Constantine’s decree according to Catholic.com even.
Since this moron can’t listen nor read nor does he represent any education but disinformation garbage, here is the quote Tim shared on 1 slide regarding Constantine directly from Catholic.com who say Constantine changed the Sabbath period! Even the link in onscreen but this hack can only misrepresent.
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“Edict of Constantine
On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.
Constantine’s decree was most likely modeled on pagan sun worship, though it is probable that he also intended to benefit the church (right! The High Priest of Mithraism intended to benefit the Christian Church. Sure, after he hijacked it. He changed the Sabbath observance to his day of the sun god, Mithra and infused other elements of paganism as well. He clearly favored Mithraism and paganism and the sun god not Yahuah and never did He worship Him, nor did he ever see Yahuah’s sign in the sky because the cross in the sun is the ancient symbol of paganism all the way back to Babylon. In fact, it too is the symbol in Hebrew for the Mark of Cain, yep that’s a cross. Keep reading.), which already met for worship on Sunday…”
Yes, we acknowledged in that video some met on Sunday but the Saturday Sabbath still kept by the original church, who is not in Rome but Revelation defines in Turkey, did not change until Constantine’s decree according to Catholic.com even.
Constantine codified the matter for the whole empire. However Christians worshipped on Sunday since the time of the Apostles. Here is one of the earliest apologists, Justin Martyr, writing in the 2nd century about this very thing.
Delete"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead."
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
Constantine forced the issue down the throats of those still keeping the commandments. Stop misrepresenting.
DeleteR. L. Odom, Sunday in Roman Paganism, p. 188.
“This controversy lasted almost two centuries, until Constantine intervened in behalf of the Roman bishops and outlawed the other group.”
Source: Sunday in Roman Paganism, Robert Leo Odom. TEACH Services, Inc. (January 2003)
No he did not. Constantine codified Sunday observance for the entire empire including the pagans who did not worship on Sunday. His decree did not change what Christians had been doing for almost 300 years.
DeleteThe controversy that lasted (and more than just two centuries) was about the celebration of Easter. Read some church history and the actual writings of the Fathers and stay away from SDA nonsense like Odom.
He put it into law forcing all to Sabbath rest on Sunday and those still in Saturday observance to were now outlawed. The Roman Church kept Sunday but not the rest. You are as usual a liar who misrepresents everything he touches. What witchcraft to even attempt debate that Constantine changed the Sabbath. He decreed it empire-wide. This changed it for those who kept Saturday who would now be forced to work and comply. Catholic.com, whom Tim quoted and you missed yet again in ignorance, agrees with Odom stupid:
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“Edict of Constantine
On 3 March 321, Constantine I decreed that Sunday (dies Solis) will be observed as the Roman day of rest [CJ3.12.2]:
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.
Constantine’s decree was most likely modeled on pagan sun worship, though it is probable that he also intended to benefit the church, which already met for worship on Sunday…”
Read the books you quote.
Delete"The observance of Sunday originated in the time of the apostles, and ever since forms the basis of public worship, with its ennobling, sanctifying, and cheering influences, in all Christian lands."
Constantine did not not CHANGE anything because Christians were already worshipping on the first day of the week since the time of the Apostles. Perhaps Tim should stop looking for fodder on message boards of all places and read the books he wants to quote. Actually study the issue, read the Fathers, read the bible, read the councils, familiarize himself with Christian doctrine rather than quote an edict of Constantine he stumbled up on a Catholic forum as if that is some kind of gotcha.
Philip Schaff, a noted Presbyterian and Church Historian, was quite aware of the Edict of Constantine and yet he does not make the same rash and unfounded pronouncements as Tim.
I mean really it's not enough that most of his "Deep research" about the Philippines comes from Wikipedia and AncientPhilippines that now he has to use a MESSAGE BOARD as his source! It's hilarious and sad all in one go.
DeleteCatholic.com does not agree with Odom at all as the Romans are not sabbatarians. Do you know what a message board is? It's a place where people come together and discuss ideas. It's a place where one can learn from and then go search out whatever books people are quoting for more information. It's not a source in and of itself. Read that whole section from Schaff about the Christian day of worship.
That's really ridiculous from one who is saying the same thing and does not even realize it. Yes, there is deceptive narrative of stupidity such as you represent on most things, that Constantine did not change that Sabbath but it is based on witchcraft where they full well know the Sabbath day was changed by Constantine. There is no justifying the act and even Catholic.com knows better. There is a plethora of such sources but our point is proven and we will continue to tell people Constantine changed the Sabbath because he did. Only a fool would continue to debate on a point your information actually agrees. Anyone can see Constantine decreed Sabbath on Sunday. Anyone with brains then knows this means he was outlawing the Saturday Sabbath. It's not rocket science but perhaps for most but not one like you incapable of thinking for themselves. You do realize the Presbyterians were infiltrated by Jesuits long ago and we completely reject your notion of Protestantism as we are no such. We read the Bible which says what it says and you clearly cannot represent it accurately nor do you know it. You have misrepresented scripture and Messiah's words which would have to go against what He said earlier in Matthew for your interpretation to be accurate thus it is not. We could care less what this or that scholar says as we many times prove them wrong with a review of scripture in context as we do here. Messiah kept the Sabbath and Feasts, His Apostles continued to keep the Sabbath and Feasts and the early church kept them as well. The Roman part of the church was not His church and not following His ways but already infusing paganism as Samaritan pagans do. Just as you do. You can enjoy your paganism, just don't call it Bible.
DeleteMost of our research comes from Wikipedia? You are one of the dumbest people on earth. How many times was Wikipedia cited in this video and what would that have to do with anything? That's wrong and misrepresentation from a jaded communist-style fraud. We quoted Catholic.com. and it's original source it was citing and a whole lot of scripture in a video we labeled as "commentary" even (we know you couldn't read that too could you) but of course that's still not good enough for one as stupid as you with an agenda. Our book is really going to crush your nonsensical approach especially on Ophir which you have proven to be less than novice in handling of details and very much a fraud. Most of our research comes from scripture but you would not know because you have not reviewed that part nor almost all of the series you ignorantly criticize like a complete fool and you keep entering into other series' you have never watched at all in stupid ignorance. You haven't even reviewed this series in which you jump in the middle and criticize not even watching this video even because your ignorant comments prove you do not even watch but make up a false narrative and try to argue with yourself stupidly. You continue to bellow as if you know what you are talking about and you just dig in further and further into nonsense and your viewers are not as dumb as you. They have figured you out. David Roxas PhilippinesFails has failed the Philippines to the point of committing cyber libel, malicious acts, gross negligence, fraud and you will be dealt with. Filipinos will rise up against you soon and your communist-style agitation and lies. You are a fraud David Roxas PhilippinesFails and proven to be so. We do not stake a position on Schaff nor Catholic.com but on common sense which you are sorely lacking on a host of things as you cannot even read a sentence and render it properly. Even in this video, you failed to listen and realize we quoted Catholic.com who cites Schaff merely as an historical source for the edict. You argue with a Catholic position and then sound like a Catholic defender in the same message. You are the ultimate oxymoron or maybe just moron because your agenda is so blatant and clear and we have already proven you will go to the point of fraud to stick to stupid views. We don't care if you do but don't drag others into your insane, psycho world. This blog is clinical insanity as it produces no fruit yet continues on the same vein even after losing debate after debate after debate. The definition of insanity in fact repeating the same expecting a different result. You lose and you failed yet again. You cannot prove Messiah abolished the law He said He did not abolish. You cannot prove the Sabbath is to no longer be observed when the Apostles and early church continued such practice. These are not truths but ignorant doctrines of men which is all you have demonstrated in any of your blogs. You know nothing but think you know so much yet it is utter ignorance. Regarding our research, our sources have proven to say what we said they say and we have represented them accurately. You however, are a fraud as you have misrepresented Mela, the Periplus, Legeza, Villegas, Horridge, Justice Carpio and a host of others in your rant of fraud proven to be so. You can't even read a map or finish directions and it is sad. We would not even point that out if it were not for this utterly stupid blog in which you continue to attack, libel and commit fraud in order to attempt a position against out teaching. You fail again.
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DeleteThis is the second time you have mentioned witchcraft. If you want to talk about witchcraft then talk about the occult dinner ritual of which Tim partook .
No. We have mentioned witchcraft in terms of your fraud numerous times not just 2 and you are guilty of such. You seem to not pay attention. It requires witchcraft to even call Tim's having dinner with someone an occult ritual but we are used to your misrepresentations, fraud and libel though you will be dealt with on that. It is witchcraft to read that Constantine changed the law which changed the Sabbath and waive your hand claiming that doesn't mean he changed the Sabbath. Only a fool would take such position. He decreed a law empire-wide which venerated his god Mithra, the sun god and in doing so he made it impossible for many who were keeping the Biblical sabbath to continue to keep it as they now have to work. Businesses were now open on the Sabbath doing business and no longer resting either. It is witchcraft to look at that history no matter whom is quoted and come to any conclusion but Constantine changed the Sabbath period. There is no debate and your information says the same thing you just do not wish it to because you are defending the Catholic Church while bashing it in the same breath in an unbelievable display of stupidity and inconsistency which is your norm. You really need to stop attempting debate with us because you are extremely inept and unqualified to attempt such. Your Cyber Libel of Tim will be dealt with you fraud as once again you manipulate facts in an unbelievably grotesque way. Seems there is nothing beneath your demonic lows. You will be dealt with.
DeleteNot only are we not the first to say so, there are many who know this:
ReplyDeleteR. L. Odom, Sunday in Roman Paganism, p. 188.
“This controversy lasted almost two centuries, until Constantine intervened in behalf of the Roman bishops and outlawed the other group.”
Source: Sunday in Roman Paganism, Robert Leo Odom. TEACH Services, Inc. (January 2003)
We recognized the controversy but again, that merely proves our point. We gave the Catholic answers and then address them head on in this video but again this is part of a series not 1 video and as always, this moron is incapable of digesting a series nor representing anything in context which he even proved with his fraud of historic interpretation but just wishes to mix and confuse in fraud.
Regarding the Sabbath, he also seems unable to listen and read yet again because scripture is abundant and clear:
ReplyDeleteIf the Sabbath were insignificant, why is it mentioned 137 times in the Bible? If Messiah had done away with it, why is it observed by the disciples after His ascension? (Acts 2:1-4, 13:14-16,13:42-44,18:4, 1 Cor. 7:19, 11:1) Why did the early church keep it as well? If it was temporary, why does scripture profess the Sabbath is forever in your generations for a perpetual and everlasting covenant by a statute forever? (Ex. 31:13, 16, Lev. 16:31, 24:8) Why did Jesus(Yahusha) say he did not come to abolish it? (Matt. 5:17-20)
For this is the Day of Rest created for man to rejuvenate in the presence of our Creator. He knows we need that and without it, we will never have the needed fuel nor will we ever apply our full armor. (Mark 2:27) This is never a suggestion but in Israel, to defile this day in many references, would mean death (Ex. 31:14-15, 35:2). On this day, we are to conduct no work not even cooking, nor to indulge in pleasure but strictly to focus on Him in a state of rest (Ex. 35:3, Lev. 23:3, Deut. 5). Even when Yahuah rained manna from Heaven, He refrained on the seventh day (Ex. 16:26).
Did Messiah void the law? No, (Matt. 5:17-20). Did Paul? No, (Rom. 3:31, 2:13, 7:12, 7:22). Did Luke? No, (Acts 24:14, 25:8). Paul’s responses to gnostic teachings are never repudiating the law which he says is holy, just and good. His context is one of application of the law which is not the Pharisee nor gnostic way of additives and leaven.
It is time to restore His Sabbath in your life and forget this propaganda blog of fraud, libel, harassment and abuse. The good news is even David Roxas from PhilippinesFails can even turn from his wicked ways and be forgiven in repentance.
For those claiming Paul did away with the law, again, they just are not reading.
ReplyDeleteMessiah Kept the Feasts: Matt. 26:2-19, 5:17; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 2:41-42, 22:1-20; John 2:13-23, 6:4, 13:1-30
The Apostles Kept the Feasts: Acts 20:6-7, 12:3, 18:20-21; 1 Cor. 5:6-8, 16:8
His Feasts begin in the Spring from March through June, as Passover (not Easter), Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Shavuot/Pentecost (not Christmas) which began on the seventh day of Creation right here in this land of Havilah. The Feast of Sebu or Sheba is Shavuot. The Fall Feasts all bear prophetic meaning including the Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets and Feast of Tabernacles (not All Saints Day). Seven (Sheba) Feasts in seven (Sheba) months. These are forever in your generations (Lev. 23:14, 21, 31, 41). These are not Jewish Feasts. They are for all believers and always have been as even the “stranger among you” is identified multiple times in these scriptures (Ex. 12:49, Num. 9:14, 15:26-29, Lev. 16:29, 18:26, 19:34, 17:12). These are gentile believers who are under the very same law as the Hebrews in blessings and curses. Salvation is not a New Testament concept in origin.
This is the strong deception unraveling before us. Even some pastors today will vehemently oppose keeping these Feasts while defending their pagan replacements not even realizing what they are doing. As we once were, they are programmed with canned responses in seminary. Many will tell you these have passed away yet Messiah says not (Matt. 5:17-20). However, it is the ultimate hypocrisy to then, keep the feast they say has passed by participating in idol replacements instead.
Another false paradigm from David Roxas of PhilippinesFails who is incapable of telling you the truth but wishes to misrepresent scripture, history and even science as he ridiculously, stupidly claims the whole earth drowned in 22' of water. What a fool. He continues to attack including illegal libel yet again in fraud yet again because he is not interesting in representing even a sliver of truth in conclusion to you. Read this trash at your own.
ReplyDeleteWe have proven over and over from his own words and deeds, this is a libelous, abusive, harassing, lying, fraud who offers nothing of value. He only knows how to corrupt and fraud and we have proven that with quote after quote, map after map, scripture after scripture… This shows how pathetic he is and he has identified his foundation now, we have it. David Roxas of PhilippineFails hates God in his own words. He blames him for the state of the Philippines instead of looking at how the Filipino people have lost covenant relationship which we are working to restore. Yet, he mischaracterizes and misrepresents yet claims he cares but he hates the Philippines and he is a racist, bigot who hates Filipinos and Americans. Seems he just hates everyone but this is common with those whose father is the devil. We live in the End Times when evil is painted as good and good as evil and this persecution is welcomed as it demonstrates we are in the Will of Yahuah. This fraud is in the will of his father, satan. They are liars incapable of truth, haters oblivious to love, demonizers who are the ones with demons, accusers yet guilty themselves… these are hypocrites and yes, the Philippines is not perfect but mostly because of the influence of these Jesuit and Communist-style agitators… They read scripture and then ignore it reframing it in fragments to manipulate to their Pharisee leaven which this fraud represents. They read history and outright lie and commit fraud to reframe it and cover it up but no longer. They are exposed. David Roxas of PhilippineFails has failed the Philippines.
ReplyDeleteI graduated in a Bible Seminary... I studied relegion...been a Balik Islam....But I respect all beliefs... But to myself... I know the Bible is right and Koran is right. .Respect begets respect.... Allah/God is merciful and a loving creator.... Who'd sent a Saviour... Agape.... That His name is in my heart...
ReplyDeleteThank you for dispatching this TGC clown. I just saw one of Tim’s videos on Gog Magog. Obviously, much effort went into it, but I was constantly annoyed by Tim’s persistent modification of scripture reading “Yahuah” instead of God or Lord.
ReplyDeleteOver the years, I have encountered persons using either Jewish nonsense (prayer blankets and goat horns) or Hebrew terms that either do not know scripture (ignorance) or are complete heretics, liars, and money-grubbers. Most are ignorant and misled but those playing “pastor” “preacher” “reverend” is always false teachers out for the money that a cult generates. Yahuah and Yahusha or other nonsense like “shekinah glory” are not used in our translation because the KJV translators wanted clear language that common people understood not a bunch of foreign words used by people that do not even speak the language. I have heard that Yesuah or Yahusha are from the Talmud meaning “may he be forgotten” mocking Jesus Christ.
I suspect Tim was not able to get the fast cash he dreamed of in traditional protestant churches. And I know these Jewish (ish) terms are used by people wishing to look learned or enlightened, in other words, pride. Note: used by narcissistic conmen everywhere!
Many American false teachers come to the Philippines. I have lived here for three years now and see JW, SDA, Pentecostal, Nazarene something or other every day, but the Philippines as the Garden of Eden takes first place in dumbest ideas ever. Is this idea for flattery, shock value, secret knowledge? I understand where Timothy Schwab is coming from. Timothy Schwab is a conman, plain and simple. Flattery is the conman’s best tool along with new revelations from God or in this case discoveries that change history. I am sure he flatters enough middle and upper-class Pinyos to generate a living here doing nothing but crap and dressing like a slob every day. Was that ritual popular with wealthy Pinyos? I bet it was. Are there well-moneyed people meeting with men claiming nobility? There is gold in them there lies Timmy boy, but alas you are lost at sea with a sinking boat full of fools’ gold.
Interesting skirmish that the two of you have going on. Tim never personalizes Christ Jesus as God, our savior, the Messiah. That’s suspect. David comments to accuse Tim. There is zero authentic love in either debate, which is quite telling.
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