Has Timothy Jay Schwab of the God Culture not learned anything from the fiasco of Harold Camping or other men who would dare set a date of any kind for the return of Jesus Christ? No, he has not.
For the past few weeks Tim has been giving his interpretation of the prophecies in in the book of 2nd Esdras. He has been delineating what certain symbols mean and which animal is which wicked empire or nation. It's all bunkum. 2nd Esdras is not scripture. It is a book written after the fall of the Jerusalem in 70 AD. Based on that book and the prophecies in Daniel, Tim has deduced a specific year for the return of Jesus Christ. It's 2127.
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| DANIEL'S 2300 DAYS. Count To The End? Part 2. Answers In 2nd Esdras 11 |
51:41 So, 2120 for the tribulation start and 2127 for Messiah's return. These are ballparks. We're not saying exacts, we're not saying it's exactly and we don't know. Look, this isn't trigonometry or calculus we could be off a decade, we could be off a year, we could be off certain months, we could be not considering something. We're not saying any of that, all right? This isn't an exact science. We don't care for it to be because we don't get to know the day or the hour. But here's what we do know. We know it's time to prepare. We know when the season is and we have about a century folks.
"Approximate only." LOL!! He even has the gall to write in the description of this video:
However, this is not intended to set a date nor are we prophets. This is research and it leads to an era we can know with certainty. It is time to know.
Despite all the precise and minute calculations Tim makes this video is not intended to set an exact date for the return of Jesus Christ. Yet, here we have an exact date of 2127. Oh, excuse me, an exact YEAR. Because, as Tim admits, "we don't get to know the day or hour." What's the difference between prognosticating dates and years when it comes to calculating the return of Jesus? Not much. The principle remains the same.
Retired NASA engineer Edgar C. Whisenant thought the rapture would occur in 1988. What he had to say about predicting the return of Jesus Christ is rather similar to what Timothy says.
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It is evident that in the minds of most Christians today, Matt. 24:36 is believed to prohibit anyone from being able to see the day of our Lord's return approaching. Matt. 24:36 states that “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” In looking at this statement, you can easily see that it is impossible to know the exact day and hour of the Lord Jesus' return.
If Jesus arrived at one particular instant of time, there are 24 times zones around the world, and each time zone has multitude of Christians in it. How are you going to identify that particular instant in each time zone on earth? Also, there are always two days existing on earth at the same time; only at the exact second that the earth passes through the international date line does only one day exist on all the earth. All other times, there are two days existing on earth at any one moment; one day is coming and the other day is going. So you can see the problem in trying to tell all the Christians covering the earth at any one instant of time the exact day or hour of our Lord's return.
However, this does not preclude or prevent the faithful from knowing the year, the month, and the week of the Lord's return.
Like Tim, Edgar Whisenant says we cannot "know the exact day and hour of the Lord Jesus' return." However, we can know the year. So. he gave 1988 for his prediction of when the rapture would occur. Likewise, Tim denies we can know the exact day but he thinks we can know the year so he gives 2127 as the date when Jesus returns. It's quite pointless for Tim to deny the exactitude of his forecast when he has spent almost 12 hours, really much more than that because all his videos tie into this calculation, scrupulously and in detail going over what he considers to be the prophetic timeline. What sense does it make to meticulously reconcile the calendars, do all the math, give a precise year, and then say "I don't know," "this is not exact," and "I don't care for it to be exact?" It is insulting to the intelligence of his audience to say he does not care if his "research" is exact.
It is also an extreme display of cowardice for Tim to give a precise year for the Second Coming and then backtrack by saying it's only approximate. Could it be his conscience working on him that causes him waffle so? Truly it has been said "conscience does make cowards of us all." If Jesus Christ does not return in 2127 then all of Tim's work is for nothing.
Every date setter, every year setter, every man who has looked into the scriptures to scry and calculate the time of Christ's return has been shown to be a fool. Funny that Tim sets the date 106 years into the future and says it "approximate only." What a wide window of deniability for him to say he didn't mean for his date setting to be accurate if it does not come to pass. He will be dead by then anyway and won't have to face any criticism or backlash.
Let me show you just how inept Tim is at making "approximate only" calculations. In the Gospel of Luke we are told that Jesus began His ministry at ABOUT the age of thirty.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age,
According to Tim's calculations Jesus was born in 9 BC which means he was 36 when he began to minister and 39 when he was crucified.
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benyamin ben qohelet If he died in 31 ad and he was born in 10 BC that would make him 41 years old he died at thirty-three so you have a logical fallacy
The God Culture Third, you do not count the year 0 AD/BC in counting. It goes from 1 BC to 1 AD which we also cover so you obviously comment without really watching. So your number with the wrong starting year is 40 years not 41 and if you start from the actual year we prove, 9 BC not 10 BC, that makes him 39 at death and resurrection and 36 when he started his first year. That matches Luke's ballpark of "ABOUT 30" when He started His ministry. Luke never says He was 30 and would have known the age as He knew the birth year. So why does he use that ballpark? About 30 is the time Levitical priest enters the ministry and he is clearly making reference to this not giving an exact date as he does other times.
As ever, Tim's comments are entirely wrong. The age a Levite entered the priesthood was not ABOUT 30 but exactly at the age of 30.
Numbest 4:3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.
30 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old shalt thou number them, every one that entereth into the service, to do the work of the tabernacle of the congregation
39 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that entereth into the service, for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation,
There is nothing in those verses concerting approximation. The scripture is clear that Levite priests served from 30 years old to 50 years old. Likewise 36 is not about 30. 36 is closer to 40. Does Tim not know about rounding up? Did he not take elementary math when he was in 1st grade??
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Here's the general rule for rounding:
- If the number you are rounding is followed by 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9, round the number up. Example: 38 rounded to the nearest ten is 40
- If the number you are rounding is followed by 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4, round the number down. Example: 33 rounded to the nearest ten is 30
Not only does Timothy Jay Schwab kick against the pricks and defy the doctrines of the Holy Spirit inspired Church but he also defies the accepted conventions and rules of mathematics! A man who is 36 is not about 30 just like a man who is 16 is not about 10. The idea is absurd. His math is woefully wrong. But don't take my word for it.
If Jesus was around thirty years old in AD 27—29, and we know that His birth occurred before 4 BC, that would put His birth, at the earliest, around 6 BC—any earlier would make Him between 35 and 40 years old in Luke 3:23, at which point He could no longer be considered "about thirty." Despite the inability of scholars to pinpoint exact dates, it is reasonable from these facts to conclude that Jesus was born between 6 and 4 BC, during the last few years of the reign of Herod the Great.
Not only does Tim give an estimated year of the Second Coming but he also wants to produce a video giving a blow-by-blow timeframe of what happens afterwards!
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RUTHANN JOHNSON How long will it take for Earth and heaven to be remade
The God Culture Good question. It appears the Trumpet sounds on the Feast of Trumpets, Judgment Day is about 10 days later and 5 days later believers are receiving their new bodies according to the Feast schedule. One could say the battle occurs with Messiah and his army vs. the world essentially for 10 days roughly and then, He judges and replenishes with eternal fire for 5 days essentially. That's just a quick answer but in time, we hope to produce a video on that. Yah Bless.
Gee, I can't wait for the video where Tim breaks down what happens on the day of judgement and afterwards day by day and hour by hour. All estimated and approximate of course.
In this article I will not be analyzing Tim's computations regarding 2nd Esdras or when Jesus was born. That is beyond the scope here and not the purpose. Besides, 2nd Esdras is not even scripture so it is not worth pouring over. He might as well be trying to decipher the quatrains of Nostradamus or a secret message on the back of a Lucky Charms cereal box with his magic decoder ring. His series on Revelation 12 is an altogether different matter since it involves both scripture and the Philippines. I already dismantled that nonsense in 3 articles starting here.
What I want to point out is that Timothy Jay Schwab has now been officially enrolled on the list of disgraced end-times teachers whose prophecies, predictions, and research has not come to pass. This includes Harold Camping, David Koresh, Charles Manson, John Hagee, William Miller, Brother Stair, Hal Lindsey, Johnathan Cahn, Charles Russell, Joachim of Fiore, Montanus, Thomas Muntzer, and the Zwickau Prophets. None of those men came up with their predictions out of thin air. The fact is men have always thought the end is near and have always based this supposition on calculations derived from scripture. They had precedence from scripture for their prognostications. From Tim's own words he admits he fits in with the above crowd of false prophets.
The God Culture Can you imagine living during WW2's height in the middle of Japan or Germany or any of the areas being bombed heavily? It would appear the end was already near. men have always thought so but now we have precedence in scripture we can understand and we can know. Yah Bless.
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Of all the men listed above Tim is more like William Miller than any of them. That's because Miller, much like Tim, attempted to work out the true Biblical calendar and timeline. Based on his calculations Jesus was to return within the timeframe of 1843-1844. Miller's prediction failed spectacularly and out of his movement was born the Seventh Day Adventist church which Tim apparently has nothing bad to say about despite Ellen G. White being a notorious false prophetess.
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William Miller did not have the luxury of producing videos explaining his system but he did draw a detailed chart of his timeline.
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Basing his calculations principally on Daniel 8:14: "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed", Miller assumed that the cleansing of the sanctuary represented the Earth's purification by fire at Christ's Second Coming. Then, using the interpretive principle of the "day-year principle", Miller (and others) interpreted a day in prophecy to read not as a 24-hour period, but rather as a calendar year. Further, Miller became convinced that the 2,300 day period started in 457 BC with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem by Artaxerxes I of Persia. Simple calculation then revealed that this period would end in 1843. Miller records, "I was thus brought... to the solemn conclusion, that in about twenty-five years from that time 1818 all the affairs of our present state would be wound up."
Although Miller was convinced of his calculations by 1818, he continued to study privately until 1823 to ensure the correctness of his interpretation. In September 1822, Miller formally stated his conclusions in a twenty-point document, including article 15: "I believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, even within twenty-one years,--on or before 1843." Miller did not, however, begin his public lecturing until the first Sunday in August 1831 in the town of Dresden.
In 1832 Miller submitted a series of sixteen articles to the Vermont Telegraph, a Baptist newspaper. The Telegraph published the first of these on May 15, and Miller writes of the public's response: "I began to be flooded with letters of inquiry respecting my views; and visitors flocked to converse with me on the subject." In 1834, unable to personally comply with many of the urgent requests for information and the invitations to travel and preach that he received, Miller published a synopsis of his teachings in a 64-page tract with the lengthy title: Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ, about the Year 1844: Exhibited in a Course of Lectures.
That is Timothy Jay Schwab's EXACT METHODOLOGY. Miller published his views in articles, Tim publishes his views in videos. Miller engaged in public lectures, Tim toured the Philippines giving public lectures. Miller was flooded with inquiries from those who read his articles, Tim has 117,000 subscribers on Youtube and gets hundreds of comments on every video. Miller's teaching eventually went international, Tim's videos reach people in every country. Miller never set an exact date just a year, Tim says we cannot know the exact date but sets an exact year. There are many more similarities between William Miller and his movement, Millerism, and Timothy Jay Schwab and his movement, The God Culture, that cannot be enumerated here. The only substantial difference between William Miller and Timothy Jay Schwab in regards to their prophetical interpretation is that Tim begins Daniel's 2,300 days (years) not at the decree to rebuild the temple in 457 BC but when wicked priests allegedly defiled the temple in 165 BC.
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| DANIEL'S 2300 DAYS. Count To The End? Part 2. Answers In 2nd Esdras 11 |
There is not enough space here to do justice to Tim's timeline or his calculations which really span the length of all his videos. It is sufficient to note that everything he is doing is exactly the same as what William Miller did 177 years ago. Miller was wrong and undoubtedly Tim will be proven wrong too, though we shall never get to witness that failure since we will all be dead by 2127. Truly there is nothing new under the sun.
Despite all the "Biblical" material Tim has produced and continues to produce the man is simply ignorant of the Bible. In attempting to figure out the timeline of Christ's return Tim resorts to using the unscriptural Book of Enoch. Enoch says a generation is 100 years.
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| HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT? It's Time To Know. Answers In 2nd Esdras 9 |
This prompted one viewer to ask a question. In a now deleted comment one commenter asked if we should just ignore what Moses had to say about the length of a generation.
Brett Hamm Quick question. Do we just ignore or throw out Psalm 90 verse 10 where Moses describes a generation as 70 to 80 years? Please explain. Thanks.
The God Culture First Moses did not write Psalm so stop pretending you can even read and comprehend. Why would you ever throw out Moses or suggest to do so? How stupid. That is the language of a fool and clearly you cannot read because David, who wrote Psalm never says that Enoch's generation Is 70-80 years. That is incredibly illiterate. David says In his day people live 70-80, years. What does that have to do with a generation before the Flood? Don't come in here especially first comment with such uneducated illiterate ridicule or you will be muted. Learn how to think or you will look stupid as you do.
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Sidonz Do you know where I can get a copy of the 2021 and 2022 calendar? Thanks for your thought provoking presentations.Blessings in Yahuah's Name.The God Culture file:///Users/macbook/Downloads/Zadok%20Way%20Calendar%202021-2022%20(1).pdf Yah Bless.
Chiliastic views in antiquity were spread chiefly among heretics. The Second Ecumenical Council in 381 AD., condemning the heretic Apollinarius, condemned his teaching about the thousand-year Kingdom of Christ. To put a stop to further attempts at introducing this teaching, the Fathers of the Council inserted into the Creed the words about Christ: "His Kingdom shall have no end." In other words, when Christ's reign begins there will be no interruptions in His eternal Kingdom. In more recent times, chiliastic views were resurrected in some Protestant sects. As has been indicated, in this teaching there are proposed two future resurrections and two judgments: one for the righteous and later another for sinners; and there are two future comings of the Savior. There is a purely earthly reign of Christ with the righteous ones as a definite historical epoch. Formally, this teaching is based on an incorrect understanding of the expression first resurrection, while inwardly its cause is rooted in many contemporary sectarians' loss of faith in eternal life and in the blessedness of the righteous in Heaven, with whom they have no communion in prayer. Another cause is to be found in utopian dreams hidden behind religious ideas and inserted into the mysterious images of the book of Revelation.
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Alana Bunch Timmothy, where is the second witness on the 1000 year rein? Thought this was symbolic OR already happened after the Messiah when here in the flesh?The God Culture Think that thru... You can figure this out... Start with questions... How exactly were the Apostles being martyred a fit to the the 1,000-year reign? How is it that the Early Ekklesia was also being martyred still during the 1,000-year reign? Where does scripture say there will be murder during the 1,000-year reign? How can anyone think the Catholic Church came from the 1,000-year reign representing the opposite of scripture? How were there wars and conquests during the 1,000-year reign? Why is there sin during the supposed 1,000-year reign? Where did the Lost Tribes return during that 1,000-year reign? Where was the Beast just before that 1,000-year reign? If satan, has now been bound, why is the world mostly sin? Where is the Day of Judgment in that 1,000-year reign? Why is the world mostly sin again after that supposed 1,000-year reign? Why are men still dying after that supposed 1,000-year reign? Where exactly is the New Jerusalem come down from Heaven? Where is the Tree of Life we are supposed to be eating and why are you not eating from it? How did we miss all those incredibly massive events of epic proportion? Why did all the fish not die? Was the Bible wrong? Nothing in scripture fits that thinking. Now, do your research. Where is your second witness to any of this and why are you asking us to do your research for you which you clearly have not done? It's time to mature.
As he approached the place called Constantine's Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror arising from the remorse of conscience seized Arius, and with the terror a violent relaxation of the bowels: he therefore enquired whether there was a convenient place near, and being directed to the back of Constantine's Forum, he hastened there. Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died.
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